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carpe-admin
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We are planning to develop a completely new navigation tablet. From ground up designed for single purpose - usability and survivability on a bike in any conditions (tarmac, offroad, rally, deserts, rainforests, ...). 

Features on the list at the moment: 

7 and 5,5 inch LCD (two versions) with high aspect ratio (more "squarish", which is better for map viewing)
2000 nits LCD Glove friendly LCD Optically bonded LCD (much better visibility - less reflections)
Strengthened LCD cover glass (2-3x the thickness of regular glass thickness)
Fiberglass filled nylon for the body parts
Blade type power connector with trippled contacts
Blade type external data connectors
Blade connector replaceable with a module for wired connection (waterproof connectors instead of blade connector)
Direct CAN-Bus connectivity (it will be able to read data directly from your bike - no more OBD dongles)
UART in RS-485 standard for additional external devices connectivity with additional power supply for such peripherals (200mA max)
Dual-band 1m CEP GNSS. Support for simultaneous use of GPS, Glonass, Galileo and Beidou, QZSS + SBAS.
5Hz position updates (5x per second)
Optimized internal dual-band GNSS antenna
External active GNSS antenna connectivity for best possible GPS performance in any conditions
5 hardware buttons 
Bluetooth 5.x, Wifi, LTE LTE in two versions - for Europe and North America
Especially optimized power delivery - direct 12V connectivity (no more external power convertors)
Designed for battery free operation. Not only for the freezing cold of the Polar Circle or boiling hot of the Kalahari. When the temperature is not feasible for battery usage, the battery will automatically shut-off and the tablets just keeps going while using the power from your bike alone.  

Any thought on that you might have would be greatly appreciated as a design input. 


   
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Posted by: @ptk

CAN / LIN Bus without an extra module would be great, if it is usable by other apps on the tablet which have more options to read / interpret bike specific codes, reset service intervals etc..

Power delivery with redundant flat pins and spring contacts (don't know the exact name) like Garmin uses is much more stable and durable than pogo pins. Wireless charging might be an alternative if the holder contains all necessary hardware and limited current is enough to keep the device loaded all day. Depends on power consumption of the device.

ESim would be a good idea and avoid the need to connect via tethered phone.

Take care that frequent Android updates can be handled. This is necessary for guys like me who also use the tablet as a multi purpose device, eg. to connect to the company network while traveling.

Compatibility with DMD2 is a must (I know, this is more sort of a Controller issue). Please, please bury the hatchet of war and work together. No matter what happened, go forward and provide your great solution for that great piece of software.

Garmin is actually using pogo pins - pogo pin is a type of spring loaded terminal. And trust me, they are not 100% reliable on any device, including Garmins. Which is why we will not have them in the future :-). On some bikes they might work for many years (typically large displacement multi-cylinder bikes = not so severe engine vibrations). But put them on a racing single and they will be gone sooner, rather than later. The pit fall is their "moving nature" - they move by engine vibrations even when not engaged. Every movement eats away the life span. There are thousands of "movements" caused by engine vibrations per minute

 

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Posted by: @johnmilbank

Sounds great! Would there be the option to use it without CANbus? Obviously a lot of features would be lost, but presumably it won't pick power from the CANbus, so would need a separate supply anyway.
Hardware buttons sound great, especially if they can be fully user-configured. Even better if they can be configured on an app-by-app basis.
For use off the bike, having a QC3.0-compatible charging port would be good too!

the CAN bus connectivity will always be there. We are (unfortunately) not expecting to make as many units to substantiate the development (and especially certification) cost of 2 separate (CAN and non-CAN) models.  

 


   
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Kdy se přibližně počita s uvedenim na trh,díky


   
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Just my 2 cents on the new navigation tablet:
I use the Tablet as a Dashboard during my daily commute. During my commute it handles music and navigation.
I plan to use it during trips to watch my shows etc and hopefully one day as an actual roadbook during a rally.

The list mentions a lot of nice things, some of which I'm not really familiar with. But still sounds nice!

If i have to choose between the 7 and 5.5 inch versions, I think i would go for the 7 inch version.
The possibility to choose would be nice though i think. I'm not sure what to expect from a more "squarish" version.

Already mentioned here is the Brightness at night. The ability to dim it some more would be nice.
But also the Start screen, I don't believe there is an option to let the user change/adjust this but maybe a white logo and black backscreen on startup might be nice?
During the day in most situations the brightness is good. But i look forward to "(better visibility - less reflections)"
As i wear a high vis vest and during the really bright days it sometimes a bit tricky to see what's on the screen. Maybe a sunshade might be a nice addition as well?

Weight. It holds steady. But when i drive on a rough road, i feel a bit sorry for the bracket. So a lighter pad would be nice
Decent battery life is also something I like. Which i guess is in contrast with the weight.

Buttons on the pad, the sleek design is nice though as mentioned the power/volume buttons are hard to find/operate with gloves on on the current pad.
Sd card and sim card slot would be nice. Since i currently do use the pad as a separate phone and added some series to the sd card.

The current pogo connectors do the trick and are easy, I have the M8 connector as well. Which i really like. It sticks out like a sore thumb but it's a reliable connection!
I have a hard time imagining the blade type connectors. But if it's better than Pogo connectors then I'm looking forward to that.

The GPS features sound pretty cool too. Especially the external active GNSS antenna...
Bluetooth 5 sound nice!
Battery free operation in the heat and cold sounds pretty cool. Off the bike it might be use full to use the tablet in those conditions regardless maybe.

Some kind of locking feature might be nice as well.

But that's just my opinion, Anyway I'm looking forward to the CI Pad v4b successor.
Hope development is going alright. 🙂


   
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The attraction of having an android tablet for navigation (and pay more than for a standard TomTom or Garmin) is that it can be used to navigate, and everything else like reading/replying to emails or documents, listen to music, make phone calls..., do some work in the evening.

All features that enhance navigation are welcome, but if this is at the expense of the other things i want to use the tablet for then it would be a no go for me.

And while you are making the ultimate rugged tablet, don't forget there is a market for rugged tablets beyond navigation as well. I knwo there are compnaies specialising in "normal" rugged tablets, i just try to emhasise that a navigation tabelt should cater for other uses 🙂

 


   
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 mt1
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less weight.
longer cables for the power supply out of the box.
selfie camera with digital image stabilization for video.
a small set of hardware keys to control the tablet (home screen, switch app, zoom in/out)
split screen (one app on the left, another on the right)
somehow allow the phone to be connected via bluetooth and control calls/music from the tab.


   
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and build the 12V to 5V convertor into the holder


   
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 mt1
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Another request .. yet another one.
Have the M8 connector embedded in the body of the pad so it doesn't stick out, creating a possible point of failure.


   
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 mt1
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and yet another request...
Some form of cooling of the tab when riding under hot and sunny conditions and a "shade" for the tab built in into the holder.

Was riding in Estremadura, a province of Spain, and it was hot (40°C) but I think the main issue was that the Sun was directly overhead and the tab would just keep on warming up until, when the reported temp was around 45°C it would reboot every now and then. My MacGyver style solution was to get a wet rag and wrap it around the tab/holder and then keep pouring water on the rag - it worked.


   
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@mt1 Lol... MacGyver style! It reminds me of my age now 🤪 


   
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