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carpe-admin
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We are planning to develop a completely new navigation tablet. From ground up designed for single purpose - usability and survivability on a bike in any conditions (tarmac, offroad, rally, deserts, rainforests, ...). 

Features on the list at the moment: 

7 and 5,5 inch LCD (two versions) with high aspect ratio (more "squarish", which is better for map viewing)
2000 nits LCD Glove friendly LCD Optically bonded LCD (much better visibility - less reflections)
Strengthened LCD cover glass (2-3x the thickness of regular glass thickness)
Fiberglass filled nylon for the body parts
Blade type power connector with trippled contacts
Blade type external data connectors
Blade connector replaceable with a module for wired connection (waterproof connectors instead of blade connector)
Direct CAN-Bus connectivity (it will be able to read data directly from your bike - no more OBD dongles)
UART in RS-485 standard for additional external devices connectivity with additional power supply for such peripherals (200mA max)
Dual-band 1m CEP GNSS. Support for simultaneous use of GPS, Glonass, Galileo and Beidou, QZSS + SBAS.
5Hz position updates (5x per second)
Optimized internal dual-band GNSS antenna
External active GNSS antenna connectivity for best possible GPS performance in any conditions
5 hardware buttons 
Bluetooth 5.x, Wifi, LTE LTE in two versions - for Europe and North America
Especially optimized power delivery - direct 12V connectivity (no more external power convertors)
Designed for battery free operation. Not only for the freezing cold of the Polar Circle or boiling hot of the Kalahari. When the temperature is not feasible for battery usage, the battery will automatically shut-off and the tablets just keeps going while using the power from your bike alone.  

Any thought on that you might have would be greatly appreciated as a design input. 


   
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Hi,

I recently had the situation (bad weather, night ride), the display was even in the lowest brightness too bright. Having this bright spot directly in front, reduced the visibility of the surroundings extreme. At the end, I switched the device off. Would be there a way to further reduce the brightness in such conditions? 

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carpe-admin
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@jens-nigburme-com there is the night mode in system screen settings. If that's not enough, I am successfully using Bluelightfilter app. But we plan to try to also do some more on Android 11. You are right that at night the brightness is too much


   
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(@abdullah)
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i would like to request esim feture, for travellers like me i hope to use esim more easier for internet and phone connectivity


   
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Maybe one more thing…the power button ….size and haptic should support easy handling with gloves on. On today’s pad…it is quite hard to handle the power button with gloves on


   
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(@viciado-adventure)
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Less weitght wilb be also so good


   
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(@patrice-pruneti)
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Hello,
is there a new generation of carpe iter tablet planned,
I am interested but I would not prefer to wait if this was the case,
best regard
patrice


   
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carpe-admin
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There are always some plans to do stuff in the future :-). But right now only god would know what the release date will be and how exactly it will look like


   
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bibo01
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More brightness is always good because it is useful in many situations.

At the same time, it is very important to limit sun light reflection. It is my only issue using your present tablet during a six months long trip all over Africa. An appropriate sunshade could also be a useful accessory.

The present screen seems susceptible to chemicals. It can be improved.

The weight of the present tablet + bracket is over 900 gr. It means that the support must be very stable and sturdy. If the combo was lighter, it would stress equipment less. 

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What is "Direct CAN-Bus connectivity". How will it be able to read data directly from your bike?

 


   
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carpe-admin
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Thank you for the feedback. Yes - direct can bus connectivity means you would plug a simple wire into the bike and get the data from the bike can bus


   
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bibo01
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@carpe-admin This would be a great feature!

How do I know if my bike has a can bus? Does it have to conform to a certain spec? 


   
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bibo01
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I actually checked Google on the Can bus and it seems that it's possible to tap on to the abs wire or the dashboard 🙂 

Just a nice addition to the CI Pad: 

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carpe-admin
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these days all bikes are on CAN BUS (except racing single cylinders maybe). I think it was like that for at least a decade, for some brands like BMW even longer. I don't have a specific overview, though. With the planned hardware you would simply plug our cable into the bike diagnostic port.


   
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 ptk
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CAN / LIN Bus without an extra module would be great, if it is usable by other apps on the tablet which have more options to read / interpret bike specific codes, reset service intervals etc..

Power delivery with redundant flat pins and spring contacts (don't know the exact name) like Garmin uses is much more stable and durable than pogo pins. Wireless charging might be an alternative if the holder contains all necessary hardware and limited current is enough to keep the device loaded all day. Depends on power consumption of the device.

ESim would be a good idea and avoid the need to connect via tethered phone.

Take care that frequent Android updates can be handled. This is necessary for guys like me who also use the tablet as a multi purpose device, eg. to connect to the company network while traveling.

Compatibility with DMD2 is a must (I know, this is more sort of a Controller issue). Please, please bury the hatchet of war and work together. No matter what happened, go forward and provide your great solution for that great piece of software.


   
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(@johnmilbank)
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Sounds great! Would there be the option to use it without CANbus? Obviously a lot of features would be lost, but presumably it won't pick power from the CANbus, so would need a separate supply anyway.
Hardware buttons sound great, especially if they can be fully user-configured. Even better if they can be configured on an app-by-app basis.
For use off the bike, having a QC3.0-compatible charging port would be good too!


   
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